Discussing technical matters is easy. You can measure, evaluate them.
Add the human factor and logic get flushed down the toilet.
For conversational contacts, Olivia is very solid and one of the best options. Yet very few use it.
VarAc, is based upon VARA and adds the integrity, paying a toll in speed with very low signals. It allows to send files, where the integrity importance is obvious.
Popularity of FT8 exploded in the last few years, with very many operators operating fully automated stations and just checking the log once they get home after work....
I personally couldn't be any less interested in FT8; but many others are, and that's perfect to me.
I see more of a problem in terms of VarAc popularity with people constantly remaining on the calling frequency and blocking other traffic.